I tend to judge yeshivot [yeshivas] based on the level of the classes that they give in the Talmud.
(But that standard does not apply to Kabalah yeshivas in Jerusalem. There my test would be how well they know the Ari and the Reshash [Shalom Sharabi]. ) [But I admit there are more criteria than just the level of the classes.]
But for classes in which the teacher is something along the lines of the teachers of the classes at the Mirrer Yeshiva in Brooklyn -e.g. the Sukat David- I give the highest rating.
But remedial schools are not yeshivas.
Simple translation of the Gemara is clearly on the kindergarten level. Simple translation and explanation of of Tosphot is slightly higher. But still on the level of a remedial courses.
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But the normal level of what a yeshiva should be is to have a teacher that has his own original ideas every day on the page in question like the Sukat David at the Mirrer Yeshiva in Brooklyn. And that is the Gold Standard. The Ivy League.
After that there are many levels. But that is the minimum level for a place to have the real name of a "yeshiva." If they don't have that they are just a place of remedial work like a collage that teaches reading and writing for students that never learned that in high school.
But if this is the case then there is no such thing as a yeshiva except in Israel and Brooklyn. E.g. in Ponovitch and the great Lithuanian Yeshivot in Jerusalem, Maalot HaTorah, Mir, Yeshivat HaGra.
Lakewood would not qualify except as a shiduch yeshiva, not as a place of real learning.
But if you take in other aspects of a yeshiva besides the level of the classes then things get more complicated. For example Brisk which has maybe the highest reputation because it takes in only the best students from the whole world. Yet I have not heard that the classes given are all that original.
In Israel, Ponovitch is still the top.
In short then the Ivy league based on best teachers and students and real learning would still have to mean the great Lithuanian yeshivas--Ponovitch, Brisk, Mir, Maalot HaTorah, and in Brooklyn Chaim Berlin, the Mirrer Yeshiva, Torah VeDaat. [This is because I admit that there are more criteria than just the level of the teachers.]
(But that standard does not apply to Kabalah yeshivas in Jerusalem. There my test would be how well they know the Ari and the Reshash [Shalom Sharabi]. ) [But I admit there are more criteria than just the level of the classes.]
But for classes in which the teacher is something along the lines of the teachers of the classes at the Mirrer Yeshiva in Brooklyn -e.g. the Sukat David- I give the highest rating.
But remedial schools are not yeshivas.
Simple translation of the Gemara is clearly on the kindergarten level. Simple translation and explanation of of Tosphot is slightly higher. But still on the level of a remedial courses.
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But the normal level of what a yeshiva should be is to have a teacher that has his own original ideas every day on the page in question like the Sukat David at the Mirrer Yeshiva in Brooklyn. And that is the Gold Standard. The Ivy League.
After that there are many levels. But that is the minimum level for a place to have the real name of a "yeshiva." If they don't have that they are just a place of remedial work like a collage that teaches reading and writing for students that never learned that in high school.
But if this is the case then there is no such thing as a yeshiva except in Israel and Brooklyn. E.g. in Ponovitch and the great Lithuanian Yeshivot in Jerusalem, Maalot HaTorah, Mir, Yeshivat HaGra.
Lakewood would not qualify except as a shiduch yeshiva, not as a place of real learning.
But if you take in other aspects of a yeshiva besides the level of the classes then things get more complicated. For example Brisk which has maybe the highest reputation because it takes in only the best students from the whole world. Yet I have not heard that the classes given are all that original.
In Israel, Ponovitch is still the top.
In short then the Ivy league based on best teachers and students and real learning would still have to mean the great Lithuanian yeshivas--Ponovitch, Brisk, Mir, Maalot HaTorah, and in Brooklyn Chaim Berlin, the Mirrer Yeshiva, Torah VeDaat. [This is because I admit that there are more criteria than just the level of the teachers.]
