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17.7.18

I must have mentioned this before but now it occurs to me to mention again that the basic approach of Saadia Gaon and and the rishonim is that the basic idea of Torah is to come to objective morality which is recognizable by reason. But there is a level above that also which the Torah tries to bring one to. But the first level--the minimum is natural law--or what Rav Saadia Gaon calls חוקי השכל
I have been bothered by the phenomenon of the 1800's that people accepted what now looks like a sort of silly world view--that just by getting rid of kings and priests and putting workers in control, everything would become like a utopia.  The thing to try to figure out is how this applies to us nowadays? What kinds of silly world views are we accepting that on closes examination will prove to be silly and ridiculous.
How can you tell where the current in leading you when you yourself are immersed in the stream itself?

[I am more or less thinking of Marx and an over confidence in reason that Kant warned about. Now even though I believe that reason recognizes moral principles as Michael Humer pointed out why he is not an objectivist,  still I think there are limits to reason as Kant said and this was certainly the opinion of the Talmud and the geonim and rishonim.
See the beginning of Nahar Shalom of Rav Shalom Sharabi where he explains that the Condensation was in all the midot. That means including wisdom. That is to say Reason has a limit. [A similar explanation is offered by Rav Nahman of Breslov.]



16.7.18

בבא בתרא ל''ד ע''א.Bava Batra page 34


I would like to suggest that what רב and שמואל said about the נסכא דרבי אבא block of metal of ר' אבא exactly like the גמרא in בבא מציעא page 100.  They said he keeps it and the גמרא in בבא מציעא first asks, ליחזי ברשות דמאן קיימא "Let's see in whose domain it is." From that we see we look first at where the object is now and only if that does not work then we look at  the first owner.  And that does not disagree with the גמרא in נידה about the חזקה מעיקרא being stronger because the חזקה of money is different than a חזקה about איסור והיתר . So then why does the רשב''ם say the reason of רב and שמואל is because of a מיגו? Answer: The רשב''ם is פוסק like סומכוס. Now this depends on the version in בבא מציעא. If the right version is  הא מני סומכוס then סומכוס agrees that we look at the domain where the object is now. Only if that does not help anything then we look at מרא קמא. But if the version is אלא הא מני סומכוס then סומכוס says even when there is a present domain still ממון המוטל בספק חולקים then he would need a מיגו. The trouble with this is the רשב''ם holds the first version that I mentioned is right. Therefore we need to go to נידה דף ב and the תוספות there where there is an opinionחזקה מעיקרא וחזקת השתא  are equal. So here we have  מרא קמא and חזקת רשות which should be equal except the מיגו turns the weight of evidence towards the person that grabbed the נסכא



) בבא בתרא ל''ד ע''א. המשנה בבא מציעא דף ק" ע''א מביאה מקרה שבו אדם קונה פרה ונתגלה כי זו הולידה עגל. אנחנו לא יודעים מתי זה קרה. לפני או אחרי העסקה? אז מי הבעלים של עגל? הגמרא שואלת למה יש שאלה? הלא זה אמור להיות שייך לאדם אשר בתחומו  הוא נמצא? תשובה: זה בסמטה. שאלה: בואו לתת אותו לבעל הראשון? תשובה: הא מני סומכוס. זהו סומכוס [או "אלא זה סומכוס"]. סומכוס מחזיק כסף בספק מחולק. [קשה לדעת כאן למה הגמרא מעדיפה חזקת השתא (נחזי ברשות דמאן קיימא) מחזקה מעיקרא (מי היו הבעלים הראשונים).בנידה הסברא להפך.] החכמים סוברים מצד שני שהחוק הוא: "לקחת כסף מתוך התחום של חבירו דורשת הוכחה]. אם הגרסה של הגמרא היא, 'אלא זה הוא סומכוס,' הכוונה שהיא חוזרת בה מן התשובה של הסמטה. אבל אם הגרסה היא "זהו סומכוס", הכוונה כי היינו נותנים לו לבעלים הראשונים משום שהמשנה היא כמו סומכוס. זה משאיר את התשובה של הסמטה במקומה. זה מתכוון שסומכוס יסכים עם חזקת רשות. אם הגרסה של הגמרא היא (בבא מציעא דף ק" ע''א) "הא מני סונכוס" או "אלא הא מני סומכוס" הוא עושה את ההבדל אם סומכוס מסכים עם  חזקת ממון (חזקת רשות) או לא. אם הגרסה "הא מני סומכוס" זה מתכוון סומכוס מסכים עם חזקת ממון (חזקת רשות). הרשב''ם הוא פוסק החוק הוא כמו סומכוס. זה קשור לבבא בתרא ל''ד בדרך זו. הרשב''ם מחזיק יש מיגו עבור האדם שתפס את נסכא דר' אבא, (הוא יכול לטעון שמעולם לא תפס כלום). במקום זאת הוא מודה כי הוא תפס אותו אבל הוא טוען החפץ שייך לו. רב ושמואל החליטו שהחוק הוא האדם אשר תפס אותו ניתן לקחת אותו. הרשב''ם מחזיק בשיטה הסיבה היא שיש מיגו. אבל נראה לי שיש סיבה נוספת עבור הרשב''ם.  אחרת למה  המיגו הזה חזק מספיק כדי להשאיר את החפץ ברשותו של האחד שתפס את הנסכא. הלא היה אפשר לטעון כי חזקת ממון כאן באמת תיתן את האובייקט לאדם שבמקור היה לו הנסכא. אז זה יכול להיות כי סומכוס לא הולך עם חזקת ממון וכאן הם היו חולקים את כמות הכסף ששווה הנסכא אם לא היה מיגו. כל זה תלוי תוספות בנידה דף ב' ע''ב אם חזקה מעיקרא וחזקה של עכשיו שווות או אם חזקה מעיקרא הוא חזקה. אם חזקה מעיקרא חזקה נראה כי זו תחול במקרה זה על של נסכא דר' אבא כי היינו אומרים חזקת ממון תלך לאדם הראשון שממנו האובייקט נתפס.

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 ברצוני להציע כי מה רב ואת שמואל אמרו על נסכא דרבי אבא (גוש המתכת של ר' אבא) בדיוק כמו הגמרא בבבא מציעא דף ק'. הם אמרו שהוא זוכה בו והגמרא בבא מציעא בראשונה שואלת, ליחזי ברשות דמאן קיימא ("בואו לראות של איזה תחום הוא נמצא.") מכך אנו רואים שאנו מסתכלים קודם כל איפה הוא עכשיו רק אם זה לא עובד אז נלך לפי הבעלים הראשונים. [וזה אינו כנגד הגמרא בנידה ב: על חזקה מעיקרא להיות חזקה בגלל שחזקה של כסף הוא שונה מאשר חזקה על איסור והיתר]. אז מדוע רשב''ם אומר שהסיבה של רב ושמואל היא בגלל מיגו? תשובה: רשב''ם הוא פוסק כמו סומכוס. עכשיו זה תלוי בגרסה בבבא מציעא ק. אם הגרסה הנכונה היא "הא מני סומכוס" אז סומכוס מסכים כי אנו מסתכלים על התחום שבו החפץ הוא עכשיו. רק אם זה לא עוזר, אז אנחנו מסתכלים מי המרא קמא. אבל אם הגירסה היא "אלא הא מני סומכוס", אז סומכוס אומר גם כאשר קיימת הוחכה של תחום הנוכחי עדיין ממון המוטל בספק חולקים אז הוא היה צריך מיגו. הבעיה עם זה היא שהרשב''ם מחזיק השיטה שהגרסה הראשונה שציינתי נכונה. לכן אנחנו צריכים ללכת לנידה דף ב: ואת תוספות שיש שם. יש דעה שחזקה מעיקרא וחזקה דהשתא שוות. אז הנה יש לנו בנסכא דרבי אבא מרא קמא ואת חזקת הרשות שאמורה להיות שווות חוץ מזה שהמיגו הופך את המשקל של ראיות כלפי אותו האדם שתפס את נסכא

block of metal of R. Aba נסכא דרבי אבא

I would like to suggest that what Rav and Shmuel said about the block of metal of R. Aba exactly like the gemara in bava metzia page 100.  They said he keeps it and the gemara in bava metzia first asks, "let's see in whose domain it is." From that we see we look first at where the object is now and only if that doe not work then we look at  the first owner.And that does not disagree with the gemara in Nida about the חזקה מעיקרא being stronger because the חזקה of money is different than a חזקה about איסור והיתר .So then why does the Rashbam say the reason of Rav and Shmuel is because of a migo? Answer: The Rashbam is posek like Sumchos. Now this depends on the version in Bava Metzia. If the right version is  הא מני סומכוס then sumchos agrees that we look at the domain where the object is now. But if the version is אלא הא מני סומכוס then sumhos says even when there is a present domain still ממון המוטל בספק חולקים then he would need a migo. The trouble with this is  the Rashbam holds the first version that I mentioned is right. Therefore we need to go to Nida page 2 and the Tosphot there where there is an opinion  חזקה מעיקרא וחזקת השתא  are equal. So here we have  מרא קמא and חזקת רשות which should be equal except the migo turns the weight of evidence towards the person that grabbed the נסכא

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15.7.18

Summary of events that has led to Congressional hearings.


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Quick, brief refresher on my understanding of how we got here:

1. During 2016 primaries, Trump knows Hillary Clinton and team did lots of sweet under the table deals with Russians/Iranians. To troll them, he starts bragging how he's going to be Putin's BFF once he's elected.
2. Hillary & her team hatch a dirty trick to play on Trump: they'll hire an political communications shop named FUSION GPS to create what will be passed off as a collection of intelligence reports 'proving' Trump & his campaign team are in the pocket of the Russians.
3. A Fusion GPS team made up of Glenn Simpson, Nellie Ohr, Mary Jacoby [Simpson's spouse] and former MI6 spy Christopher Steele, begins producing the fiction that later becomes known as 'the Steele dossier'.
4. In these fake intel report summaries, the Fusion team center their creative writing around several people involved in Trump's campaign: Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.
5. The best part of this dirty trick is the willing participation of many  holdover Hillary sycophants sprinkled throughout the federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] only too willing to help launder this dossier & pretend it's an intel product, not fiction from a political comms shop.
6. Simultaneously the dossier begins to have key details in it leaked to media allies such as David Corn of Mother Jones, strategic leaks that immediately place Carter Page and Paul Manafort under suspicion of being Russian agents.
7. While these strategic leaks are happening, people such as Sen. John McCain and Marc Elias of the law firm Perkins Coie are being used to 'discover' the dossier & bring it to the attention of the FBI, as well as to the attention of the Hillary campaign itself.
8. Thanks to the laundering of the dossier, the HRC campaign now has plausible deniability.  Federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] agencies are 'finding' the dossier on their own [wink wink!] & reporters are 'finding' gov't sources who are 'independently' verifying the dossier by leaking it to them [wink!]
9. While that was going on, to give the Steele Dossier more credibility, Hillary sycophants inside the Federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] began actually SENDING spies to try to entrap Trump campaign staff. Carter Page, G. Papadopoulos & others are targeted for fake 'recruitment' by 'Russians'.
10. While Page & Papadopoulos are being set up by IC spies trying to entrap them, the plotters inside the Federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] go to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act [FISA] Court & draw up a warrant to spy on Carter Page using the fake dossier as intel product. Reportedly, 1st warrant attempt is denied.
11. But they persisted! A subsequent warrant attempt on Page is granted. The plotters now have legal authority to begin intercepting all of the Trump campaign's electronic comms [EC's].
12. The two pronged approach appears to be paying off. They have strategic leaks in the media keeping Trump's campaign under constant suspicion of being a Russian subsidiary while fed. Federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] agents are furiously spying on them trying to find dirt to derail Trump's candidacy.
13. AND IT DIDN'T MATTER. Hillary runs an inept campaign, Trump wins anyway.

Now the real fun starts.
14. Every action taken by the plotters prior to election day 2016 was based on Hillary winning. The Steele dossier was NEVER supposed to be thoroughly examined. It's careful laundering was to provide an excuse for leaks & investigations. It CAN'T stand up to scrutiny.
15. So after this election disaster, the plotters now have to do two things:

a. they have to keep HIDING their investigation into the Trump campaign [which they'd concealed from Congressional oversight] so they can find something to impeach him with.
16. and while doing that they must also

b. they have to hide the real facts about where the Steele dossier came from and who paid for it.
17. UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE PLOTTERS, Democrats in Congress like Jerrold Nadler and Elijah Cummings were VERY VERY ANGRY at then-FBI Director James Comey for reopening the Clinton Email investigation after the Weiner laptop was discovered with 300,000 new HRC-related emails on it.
18. See, top Dems in Congress like Cummings & Nadler were *convinced* Comey's reopening of that HRC email investigation played a huge part in Hillary's losing the election to Trump.

So they DEMAND an investigation by the DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz into this.
19. On Jan. 12, 2017, DOJ IG Horowitz GRANTS DEMOCRATS WHAT THEY WANTED. He announces a review of the DOJ/FBI's handling of matters prior to the 2016 Presidential election [which includes the Hillary Email investigation].

oig.justice.gov/press/2017/201…
20. During the course of his review of the investigations/actions the DOJ/FBI was engaged in leading up to the 2016 election, here's what Horowitz discovers:

Despite the best efforts of the plotters to hide it, he discovers the truth about the Steele dossier.
21. HOROWITZ is the one who discovers the Hillary Clinton campaign paid for the creation of the Steele dossier by tracking the funding for it through the law firm Perkins Coie.
22. While tracing the origins of the Steele Dossier & how it was laundered through fed. LEO/IC agents misrepresenting it - even in FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ]warrants! - Horowitz *also* happens upon the text messages on the official FBI phones of the lead agent in 'Crossfire Hurricane': Peter Strzok.
23. While tracking down the origins/laundering of the bogus Steele Dossier, & perusing the unbelievably juvenile text messages of Strzok/Page, Horowitz & his team of investigators also uncover a plethora of strategic leaking by Andrew McCabe, among others.
24. So here's what Horowitz has been tipping Congress off to since October 2017, when he first began rolling out all the evidence of what he'd found since he began his investigation on Jan 12, 2017:
25. 

a. Bogus Steele dossier & how it was created, paid for, laundered
b. Abuse of the  Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act   court system to start investigations based on it
c. Strategic leaks in media to 'back up' the dossier by top FBI/DOJ officials
d. Alteration of official DOJ/FBI records
26. Horowitz released his report on McCabe first, which led to McCabe's being terminated. Several weeks ago he released the MYE report on Clinton Democrats were so hot to get that referred 5 people to the FBI OPR for pro-Clinton bias.

Up next? The  Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act  Abuse/Trump Spying report
27. This is how we've arrived to where we are today: with Peter Strzok & Lisa Page being the first of a phalanx of plotters who are going to be subpoenaed to testify before Congress about their roles in this plot to undermine a presidential election & then targeting a President.
28. And there you have it. How a work of fiction, that placed a man in Prague who's never been to Prague, ended up being used to smear a Presidential candidate in the media, then to start *legal* spying on him & his associates using Federal law enforcement and intelligence  agencies [NSA, FBI,etc] agencies.

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Fast learning was a "thing" when I  was growing up. So to some degree it made sense to apply it to learning Torah. In particular there is the classical musar book אורחות צדיקים that places a heavy emphasis on it.
On the other hand when I got to Far Rockaway [Shar Yashuv] and the Mir the emphasis was just the opposite. Learning in depth--biyun. And my learning partner also was into that kind of learning. He would not move until everything was clear.

For me it seems there are kinds of learning that going fast seem to make the most sense. And other times the in depth thing seems best. I do not think there is any kind of resolution to this problem except what they do in Litvak yeshivas--the morning for in depth and the afternoon for fast learning.

[Fast learning however in the Mir was what most people call learning in depth with Tosphot. But when I say fast learning I mean to say the words as fast as possible and to go on. Not to worry if one understand or not. The learning gets absorbed anyway.]

Bitul Torah--to not learn Torah when one is able is a sin. Not just that but just like learning Torah is equal to all the mitzvot so bitul Torah is equal to all the sins. [This is brought own in the Hafetz Haim.] This leaves the idea of Physics and Math ambiguous. [When I was in  yeshiva I was unaware of the opinions of the Obligations of the Heart and Saadia Gaon.]
There is a separate issue about secular pseudo wisdoms [the so called soft sciences] which are surely pure bitul Torah because they are false. Even if one can make money by practicing them they are still bitul Torah.