כאשר אברהם שלח את אליעזר (עבדו) למצוא כלה ליצחק (בנו), הוא אמר לו ללכת אל "ארץ מולדתי", ולמעשה שם הגיע אליעזר לעיר נחור, אחיו של אברהם (באזור ארם נהריים), כלומר האזור שהיה פעם בבל. אך כאשר יעקב הלך למצוא כלה ממשפחת אברהם, הוא הגיע לחרן, העיר שאליה הגיע תרח (אביו של אברהם) כשעזב את האזור שבין שני הנהרות באמצע הדרך לארץ כנען. זה אולי נראה מבלבל עד שתשימו לב שנחור (אחיו של אברהם) לא הגיע עם תרח, אברהם ולוט. במקום זאת, נחור נשאר מאחור, ושם התגורר בתואל בעיר נחור, ושם גדלה רבקה. אבל שאר משפחת תרח הגיעה עם תרח לנקודת אמצע בין בבל לארץ כנען ושם התגוררה בעיר בשם חרן, ושם התגורר אבי לאה ורחל, ושם הגיע יעקב ונישא להם

When Abraham sent Eliezer (his slave) to find a bride for Isaac (his son), he told him to go to the “land of my birth,” and in fact that is where Eliezer came to the city of Nachor, the brother of Abraham (in the area of Aram Naharaim, the Aram between the rivers), i.e. the area that was once Babylonia. But when Jacob went to find a bride from the family of Abraham, he came to Charan, the city that Terach (the father of Abraham) came to when he left the area between the two rivers on half way to the land of Canaan}. This might seem confusing until you notice that Nachor, (the brother of Abraham) did not come with Terach, Abraham and Lot. Nachor stayed back, and that is where Betuel lived--in the city of Nachor, and that is where Rebeka grew up. But the rest of the family of Terach came with Terach to some halfway point between Babylonia and the land of Canaan and there lived in a city called Charan, and that is where the father of Leah and Rachel lived, and that is where Jacob came to and married them. -----------------------------------------When אברהם sent אליעזר (his slave) to find a bride for יצחק (his son), he told him to go to the “land of my birth,” and in fact that is where אליעזר came to the city of נחור, the brother of אברהם (in the area of ארם נהריים, the Aram between the rivers), i.e. the area that was once Babylonia. But when יעקב went to find a bride from the family of אברהם, he came to Charan, the city that תרח (the father of אברהם) came to when he left the area between the two rivers on half way to the land of כנען}. This might seem confusing until you notice that נחור, (the brother of אברהם) did not come with תרח, אברהם and לוט. Rather, נחור stayed back, and that is where בתואל lived in the city of נחור, and that is where Rebeka grew up. But the rest of the family of תר came with Terach to some halfway point between Babylonia and the land of כנען and there lived in a city called חרן, and that is where the father of לאה and רחל lived, and that is where Jacob came to and married them.

za78 A major midi za78 in nwc format

כשהגר [אמא של ישמאל] ברחה משרה, אני חושב שהיא הגיעה לסביבת נתיבות כי היא מצאה מעיין וקראה לו, "באר לחי ראי", וזה היה בין קדש לברד, (והתרגום אונקלס אומר שהעיירות האלה נקראו רקם וחגר). מאוחר יותר כשאברהם הלך לארץ הפלשתים הוא גם היה בין קדש לשור אשר אונקלס מתרגם גם למשמעות בין רקם לחגר.[ אז זה אותו מקום] ומשם אברהם הלך לעיר הבירה של הפלשתים שהייתה גרר באותה תקופה. [זה היה נתיבות של היום. אך באותו זמן שהגר ברח, אברהם היה בחברון. לפני שהגר ברח היא הייתה צריכה להכין ציוד, ובנוסף היא בטח ציינה את המקומות שבהם היו נחלים או מעיינות, כי היא לא יכלה להגיע מחברון למה שהוא היום האזור סביב נתיבות ברגל בשמש החמה בלי להיות מוכנה היטב. [תנסו את זה ותבינו למה אני מתכוון.] כמו כן, אני רוצה לציין שאותו אזור הוא המקום שבו יצחק פגש את רבקה ושם הוא התגורר זמן מה לאחר שחזר מהעקידה. [כאשר אברהם ויצחק חזרו מהעקידה, הם היו בבאר שבע. אך מאוחר יותר יצחק התגורר באותו מקום שבו הגר מצא את "באר לחי ראי". זה היה ליד או בארץ הפלשתים. ואז יצחק הלך לגרר כמו אביו ואחר כך חזר לבאר שבע לאחר שהתקשה עם הפלישתים כפי שקרה עם אברהם

When Hagar [mother of Ishmael] ran away from Sarah I think she got to around Netivot because she found a spring and called it, “The spring of the God who appeared to me,” and that was between kedesh and bared, (and the Targum Onklus says those towns were called Rekem and Chagar). Later when Abraham went to the land of the Philistines he was also between Kedeh and Shur which Onklus also translates to mean between rekem and chagar.[ So that is the same place] and from there Abraham went to the capital city of the philistines which was Gerar at that time. [That was at present day Netivot. Yet at the time Hagar ran away, Abraham was in Hebron. o before Hagar ran way she had to have prepared hiking gear plus she must have noted down the places where there were streams or springs because she could not have made it from Hebron to what is today the area around Netivot on foot in the hot sun without being well prepared. [I dare you to try it and you will see what I mean] Also I would like to mention that that same area is where Isaac met Rebeka and where he lived for some time after he returned from the akedah. [When Abraham and Isaac returned from the akedah, they were in beer sheva. but later Isaac lived at that same place where Hagar found “The well of the God who appeared to me.” That was near or in the land of the Philistines. Then Isaac went to Gerar like his father and then later went back to beer sheva after having trouble with the Philistines as had happened with Abraham. -----------------------------------When הגר [mother of ישמאל] ran away from שרה I think she got to around נתיבות because she found a spring and called it, “באר לחי ראי,” and that was between קדשand ברד, (and the תרגום אונקלסsays those towns were called רקם and חגר). Later when אברהם went to the land of the פלישתים he was also between קדש and שור which אונקלס also translates to mean between רקםand חגר.[ So that is the same place] and from there אברהם went to the capital city of the פלישתים which was גרר at that time. [That was at present day נתיבות. Yet at the time הגר ran away, אברהם was in חברון. o before הגר ran way she had to have prepared hiking gear plus she must have noted down the places where there were streams or springs because she could not have made it from חברון to what is today the area around נתיבות on foot in the hot sun without being well prepared. [I dare you to try it and you will see what I mean.] Also, I would like to mention that that same area is where יצחקmet רבקה and where he lived for some time after he returned from the עקידה. [When אברהם and יצחקreturned from the עקידה, they were in beer sheva. but later יצחקlived at that same place where הגר found “באר לחי ראי.” That was near or in the land of the פלישתים. Then יצחקwent to גרר like his father and then later went back to באר שבע after having trouble with the פלישתים as had happened with אברהם.---------------------------

za77 midi za77 nwc {A Minor}

In the Bible we have the incident of Abraham fighting some kings in the Jordan valley because they had taken Lot [son of his brother, Haran]. Two of those kings were the king of Babylon, and another was the king of Persia. The basic event was that they wanted to expand their empires into the Jordan valley, so they took prisoner the kings that ruled there. Abraham heard about this in Hebron, and went to rescue Lot. I would like to suggest that none of these kings were Canaanites. Rather I think that after that war, and after the destruction of Sodom, then the Canaanites moved into that area. It says that Lot stayed in the Jordan valley and Abraham stayed in the land of Canaan. So clearly these are two separate areas. Besides that, the Canaanites spread from Sidon up to Gerar and up until Sodom and Gamora. Obviously Gerar is not an area of the Canaanite so neither was Sodom until later--------------------------------הIn the בראשית we have the incident of אברהם fighting some kings in the כיכר הירדן because they had taken לוט [son of his brother, הרן]. Two of those kings were the king of שנער בבל, and another was the king of עילםPersia. The basic event was that they wanted to expand their empires into the כיכר הירדן, so they took prisoner the kings that ruled there. אברהם heard about this in חברון, and went to rescue לוט. I would like to suggest that none of these kings were כנענים. Rather I think that after that war, and after the destruction of סדום, then the כנענים moved into that area. It says that לוט stayed in the כיכר הירדן and אברהם stayed in the land of כנען. So clearly these are two separate areas. Besides that, the כנענים spread from צידון up to גרר and up until סדום andעמורה . Obviously גרר is not an area of the כנען so neither was סדום until later----------------------------בראשית יש לנו את המקרה של אברהם שנלחם בכמה מלכים בכיכר הירדן כי הם לקחו לוט [בנו של אחיו, הרן]. שניים מאותם מלכים היו מלך שנער (בבל), ואחר היה מלך עילם (פרס). האירוע הבסיסי היה שהם רצו להרחיב את האימפריות שלהם לכיכר הירדן, אז הם לקחו בשבי את המלכים ששלטו שם. אברהם שמע על כך בחברון, והלך לחילוץ לוט. אני רוצה להציע שאף אחד מהמלכים האלה בכיכר הירדן לא היה כנענים. אלא אני חושב שאחרי המלחמה ההיא, ואחרי חורבן הסדום, אז עברו הכנענים לאזור הזה. כתוב שלוט נשאר בכיכר הירדן ואברהם נשאר בארץ כנען. אז ברור שמדובר בשני תחומים נפרדים. חוץ מזה, הכנענים התפשטו מצידון עד גרר ועד סדום ועמורה. ברור שגרר הוא לא אזור של הכנען אז גם סדום לא היה עד מאוחר יותר -