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16.2.20

Deuteronomy 21 about the case of a dead person found outside a city and no one knows who killed him. You bring a calf as a atonement.

What I have not figured out in Rav Shach on the Rambam in Laws about Murderers and Guarding of One's Life [chapter 9 law number 6] is probably simple to see but I have been perplexed about this. He needs that the Rambam should ignore our Gemara [Bava batra chapter 2] that says you only measure towards the close city in the mountains. If we are talking about a person that was murdered where there are lost of cities around you by the largest city. Not the closest. The Rambam ignores that Gemara and says you always go by the largest city.
The way Rav Shach answers this Rambam is perplexing to me.
The basic idea Rav Shach  borrows from is 10 stores. Some sell permitted meat and some sell forbidden meat. If one goes into one store to buy food and forgot which one he does not go by the majority because כל קבוע כמחצה על מחצה דמי "Things that are set in place you consider to be half and half." That is you do not go by the majority. But if the meat is found outside the stores then you go by the majority. So we already have a way to understand things. Our Gemara that is looking for a reason to ignore the largest city and go by the closest can be going parallel to the case of one buys in a store but forgot which one. There you do not go by the majority or largest.
But the Rambam has some other reason to think our case is like finding meat outside the stores.
So he has a ready made answer. The Yerushalmi in which there is a argument if the calf [Egla Arufa] is brought for the murderer or the murdered.We can say the question is from where did the murdered come from. Or the murderer. In either case this is where seem fuzzy to me. What Rav Shach wants to do is to say the Gemara that says you go by the closest is because it is going like the Yerushalmi. And the Rambam would claim he is going like our Gemara.
This is hard for me to get. The Yerushalmi says it is for the murderer. And there we would say it is a case of half and half. [This is what Rav Shach wants.] And our Gemara would say the calf [that is brought into a wadi and killed] would say we go by the murdered. And that would be like the case the meat is found outside the stores where we go by the majority.
On one hand the idea of applying the Gemara abut ten stores [from Hulin chapter 7] makes some degree of sense because of the difference between when to use majority and when not. But on the other hand the  gemara in Bava Batra does not at all seem clear to mean to only measure close when it is  a city in the mountains. Plus the verse itself says to measure to the nearby city. If the way the achronim are understanding this sugia that it is referring to a city that is by itself in the mountains it seems to make no sense to measure to a nearby city when there is no other one.

[My own guess about this problem would be to look at Kapach. [i.e the original Rambam that was from Yemen back at the time of the Rambam. Sometimes there are slight differences which clear up all teh problems.]]

The basic problem that Rav Nahman of Breslov refers to in terms of Torah Scholars that are demons is not easy to understand in today's terminology. No one really thinks that anyone walking around is actually a demon in disguise. But that might be more of a problem with modern thinking more than with Rav Nahman. And in fact modern world view change every ten years. For example Freud used to be thought to be obvious and common sense. Now totally discredited. Existentialism also was the big thing. Now obsolete.

השמטות של שמואל הורוויץ [the left out portions of the Life of Rav Nahman] were not ever included in the Chayee Moharan as being Not Politically Correct. But there you can find signs of how to tell.[So it is not just up to your own discretion. Rather Rav Nahman did give more details--but until now have not been widely known.]

There was in fact never done a thoroughly academic version of any of the books of Rav Nahman and so grave mistakes have been made by people that published them. [Mistakes that were not done by intention but still drastically grievous.]

Avi Preder [part of the Na Nach group] and David Bronson [in Uman] are more "in the know" but most in Breslov have not done the research to be able to tell.

15.2.20

Bitachon in God [Trust in God]`

Bitachon in God [Trust in God] has nothing to do with how many rituals one does. Just the opposite.
But on the other hand one does not hear much about trust in God in the Reform world. The Chazon Ish has the logical approach to Bitachon that I have heard of. It is not that you assume God will help. Rather it is a feeling that God is guiding things in the right way.\
Rav Nahman also has in his stories a few examples of this. The famous "Story abut Trust" however for me did not bring out this point as much as another story I think I saw in the "Chayee Moharan."
There was merchant who had a giant diamond. He booked passage on a ship. He was treated like royalty. But the diamond fell into the sea. Still he pretended he still had it and by his keeping strong and not losing faith that things would work out OK then in fact they worked out.

The advantages of trust in God are first of all something that Rav Nahman said: "By trust in God good thoughts are drawn to you."

This is the advantage of inner peace.
However I realize that it is possible for one to imagine that he is trusting in God when in fact he is depending on the system. That is self delusion.

I am I admit not sure about the whole idea of "kollel". But whatever one says about it, the point is being religious has nothing to do with trust in God.\ Being religious means presenting a facade of religiosity in order to gain money and power.


14.2.20

מחלוקת בין רב שך ואת החזון איש

קיימת מחלוקת בין רב שך ואת החזון איש (יד החזקה הלכות רוצח ושמירת הנפש פרק ה" הלכה ט) בעניין הרוצח בשוגג והוא בדרכו אל עיר המקלט והוא נהרג על ידי גואל הדם. מחוצה לו שהוא אינו בטוח שאינו יכול להיהרג. אז בואו נגיד שהוא נהרג, אבל המקרה טרם הגיע לבית המשפט. בפסוקים עצמם אתה רואה לדילמה הזאת. הפסוק אומר שהוא צריך להגיע לעיר המקלט להיות בטוח עוד לפני שבית המשפט דן במקרה שלו. כלומר בפסוק עצמו ישנם שני מקרים. אחד שבו הוא בא לדין והורשע של הריגה בשוגג ואז חוזר לעיר המקלט, והמקרה השני הוא שרץ אל עיר מקלט ישיר. אבל איך אתה יודע את מעמדו החוקי אלא אם המקרה כבר הובא לבית המשפט? זה הוא הנקודה המדויקת של רב שך. חזון איש עם זאת סבור גואל הדם אינו אשם ברצח אם הוא הורג את הרוצח בשוגג עוד לפני שהמקרה נפנה אל בית המשפט. כלומר, חזון איש חושב כי המצב הוא שבית המשפט צריך להחליט אם הרצח היה בשוגג או בכוונה אפילו בלי כך שהרוצח הוא בבית המשפט. בית המשפט יש רק לשפוט את המקרה כמיטב הם יכולים לראות את העובדות. היה הגנת רצח בכוונה או בשוגג או מזיד. אפילו בלי שהרוצח בשוגג שם בבית המשפט, הם יכולים להחליט. רב שך מסכים עם זה. אבל הנקודה של רב שך היא כי לפני המקרה המשפט רוצח בשוגג אינו גברא קטילא (אינו מישהו שגואל הדם יכול להרוג), גם אם במקרה הוא הובא לבית המשפט והחליט מאוחר שהוא רוצח בשוגג. אבל לפני המקרה הוא סתם בנאדם רגיל.





רב שך מביא ראיה כי בית משפט זה שרואה מישהו הורג מישהו אחר לא יכול להיות שופטים כי הם לא יכולים לראות צד זכות. [מכות י''ב] עכשיו תוספות מבינים שזה אומר שהם יכולים להיות מוטים. אבל רב שך מראה כי לרמב''ם מחזיק מסיבה אחרת. זה מה שאתה צריך החלטת פסק הדין של בית המשפט. בלי זה רוצח בשוגג אינו בר קטלא כי הוא אפילו לא חייב מיתה עד קיים פסק דין. השאלה על זה היא כי לאחר שבית המשפט החליט כי הוא היה רוצח בשוגג, אז גואל הדם היה ככל שאני יכול להגיד מוצדק. זה לא נראה מקביל בדיוק למקרה של בית המשפט שראה מקרה של רצח. זהו מקרה של מעתה ועד להבא. המקרה רב שך מביא הוכחה צריך ללכת למפרע.אבל ההוכחה הראשונה של רב שך נראית חזקה. ישנו מקרה של עדים זוממים. הם אמרו מי שהוא נרצח על ביום ראשון. ואז באו עדים אחרים ואמרו "איך הייתה להם יכולת לראות את זה? היית איתנו כל אותו היום במקום אחר." אז הסט הראשון נהרג כי הם רצו להרוג. אבל הסט השני אמרו שהרוצח עשה את הרצח לפני יום ראשון, ולכן חייב מיתה ביום ראשון. רואים שבלי פסק לט היה בר קטלא.









מחלוקת between רב שך and the חזון איש

There is an מחלוקת between רב שך and the חזון איש In Laws about Murder in the יד החזקה הלכות רוצח ושמירת הנפש פרק ה' הלכה ט about הרוצח בשוגג and he is on his way to a refuge city and he is killed by the גואל הדם. It seems like an obvious question. The murderer is on his way to the עיר מקלט. Outside of it he is not safe and can be killed. So let's say he was killed, but the case had not yet come to court.
In the actual verses themselves you see this quandary. The verse says he has to get to the עיר מקלט to be safe even before the court has tried his case. That is to say in the verse itself there are two cases. One in which he is tried and found guilty of man slaughter by accident, and the other case is he is running to the עיר מקלט. In both cases he is safe only there. But how do you know his legal status unless the case has already been brought to court?
That is the exact point of רב שך. The חזון איש however thinks the גואל הדם is not guilty of murder if he kills the הרוצח בשוגג even before the case has gone to court. That means the חזון איש is thinking that you do not have a situation where the court has to decide if the murder was accidental or with intention even without the murderer being in court. The court has just to judge the case as best they can see the facts. Was the original murder intentional or accidental or self defense [permitted]. Even without הרוצח בשוגג being there, they can decide. רב שך agrees with this. But the point of רב שך is that  before the court case the רוצח בשוגג is not a גברא קטילא קטל is not someone that the גואל הדם can kill, even if the case is brought to court and decided later that he was a רוצח בשוגג. But before the case he is just a regular guy.
רב שך brings a proof that a court of law that sees someone kill someone else can not become judges because they can not see merit in the guy. [מכות י''ב] Now תוספות understands that to mean they can be biased. But רב שך shows that the רמב''ם holds a different reason. That you need a  פסק דין decision of the court. Without that the רוצח בשוגג is not a  בר קטלא that is not even חייב מיתה until there is a פסק דין. The question about this is that after the court has decided that he was a רוצח בשוגג, then the גואל הדם was as far as I can tell justified. This does not seem exactly parallel to the case of the court that saw some doing murder. That is a case of from now until the future. The case רב שך is bringing a proof for has to go in the past. למפרע.The first proof of רב שך seems stronger. There is a case of עדים זוממים. They said so-and-so murdered on Sunday. Then came other witnesses and said "How could you have seen that? You were with us that whole day somewhere else." So the first set are killed because they wanted to kill. But this applies even if the second set said the murderer did in fact murder but he did so before יום ראשון.






קיימת מחלוקת בין רב שך ואת החזון איש (יד החזקה הלכות רוצח ושמירת הנפש פרק ה" הלכה ט) בעניין הרוצח בשוגג והוא בדרכו אל עיר מקלט והוא נהרג על ידי גואל הדם. הרוצח הוא בדרכו אל עיר מקלט. מחוצה לו שהוא אינו בטוח יכול להיהרג. אז בואו נגיד שהוא נהרג, אבל המקרה טרם הגיע לבית המשפט. בפסוקים עצמם אתה רואה לדילמה הזאת. הפסוק אומר שהוא צריך להגיע לעיר המקלט להיות בטוח עוד לפני שבית המשפט דן במקרה שלו. כלומר בפסוק עצמו ישנם שני מקרים. אחת שבה הוא בא לדין והורשע של הריגה בשוגג, והמקרה השני הוא רץ אל עיר מקלט. אבל איך אתה יודע את מעמדו החוקי אלא אם המקרה כבר הובא לבית המשפט? זה הוא הנקודה המדויקת של רב שך. חזון איש עם זאת סבור גואל הדם אינו אשם ברצח אם הוא הורג את הרוצח בשוגג עוד לפני המקרה נפנה אל בית המשפט. כלומר, חזון איש חושב כי המצב הוא שבית המשפט צריך להחליט אם הרצח היה בשוגג או בכוונה אפילו בלי כך שהרוצח הוא בבית המשפט. בית המשפט יש רק לשפוט את המקרה כמיטב הם יכולים לראות את העובדות. היה הגנת רצח בכוונה או בשוגג או מזיד. אפילו בלי שהרוצח בשוגג שם בבית המשפט, הם יכולים להחליט. רב שך מסכים עם זה. אבל הנקודה של רב שך היא כי לפני המקרה המשפט רוצח בשוגג אינו גברא קטילא (אינו מישהו שגואל הדם יכול להרוג), גם אם במקרה הוא הובא לבית המשפט והחליט מאוחר שהוא רוצח בשוגג. אבל לפני המקרה הוא סתם בנאדם רגיל.





רב שך מביא ראיה כי בית משפט זה שרואה מישהו הורג מישהו אחר לא יכול להיות שופטים כי הם לא יכולים לראות צד זכות. [מכות י''ב] עכשיו תוספות מבינים שזה אומר שהם יכולים להיות מוטים. אבל רב שך מראה כי לרמב''ם מחזיק מסיבה אחרת. זה מה שאתה צריך החלטת פסק הדין של בית המשפט. בלי זה רוצח בשוגג אינו בר קטלא כי הוא אפילו לא חייב מיתה עד קיים פסק דין. השאלה על זה היא כי לאחר שבית המשפט החליט כי הוא היה רוצח בשוגג, אז גואל הדם היה ככל שאני יכול להגיד מוצדק. זה לא נראה מקביל בדיוק למקרה של בית המשפט שראה מקרה של רצח. זהו מקרה של מעתה ועד להבא. המקרה רב שך מביא הוכחה צריך ללכת למפרע.אבל ההוכחה הראשונה של רב שך נראית חזקה. ישנו מקרה של עדים זוממים. הם אמרו מי שהוא נרצח על ביום ראשון. ואז באו עדים אחרים ואמרו "איך הייתה להם יכולת לראות את זה? היית איתנו כל אותו היום במקום אחר." אז הסט הראשון נהרג כי הם רצו להרוג. אבל הסט השני אמרו שהרוצח עשה את הרצח לפני יום ראשון, ולכן חייב מיתה ביום ראשון. רואים שבלי פסק לט היה בר קטלא.









13.2.20

philosophy interesting

On one hand I find philosophy interesting because at least ancient philosophy deals with the humanizing questions that matter. Justice. Beauty. Menchlichkeit [to be a mensch/decent human being]. However the frustrating thing about it is no conclusion. So you can ask why waste the time?

People of the Middle Ages that wrote the great Musar books were definitely depending on Aristotle. Especially Ibn Pakuda. [author of the Obligations of the Heat חובות לבבות ]. But if you look at the Obligations of the Heat חובות לבבות Hovot Levavot] right at the beginning, [end of Shaar I.] you can see that he is along the lines of Neo Platonics. [That system of Plotinus had a kind of synthesis between Plato and Aristotle.]

Some rishonim [mediaeval authorities] put metaphysics and physics in the category of learning the command to learn all the time. That usually means Gemara, but they expand that definition [to include some subjects that are considered secular but not all. Physics and the Metaphysics of Aristotle is open in the Rambam that they are part of learning Torah. But other secular subjects are forbidden, e.g. literature. which he forbids in the commentary on the Mishna in Perek Helek.

Dr Michael Huemer brings the idea that philosophers have said a great deal of nonsense. But on the other hand you can look at it like Ayn Rand--that where philosophers go that is where people go afterwards. And then the ideas of the philosophers becomes common sense. And after the ideas are common sense then you go back and look at the person that introduced the concept in the first place and see that he was just going around it. He was fishing for it because he was the first one to think of it. So now it looks naive. But that is only because his original idea became thanks to him common sense.
[My feeling about Philosophy is to learn Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Kant, Hegel.]

A number of more modern thinkers have taken note that most of 20th Century Philosophy is "obviously false" in the words of John Searle. And that is good in terms of clearing the field. But it does not go much further.
Some modern people deserve good mention.
Scruton I have no recollection of hearing about until he was gone. But now I see a lot of important ideas.
Ed Feser is working on the issue of a synthesis of Aristotle and modern Physics.
Leonard Nelson had a kind of understanding on Kant which seems to get around a lot of the problems in Kant. [That is on Kelley Ross's web site]
Hegel also seems in need of explaining and Mc Taggart does a nice job.

But none of this would be interesting to me if not for that fact that they all seem to me to be revolving around a single point-faith.





Rav Shach and the Chazon Ish [In Laws about Murder in the Yad HaChazaka הלכות רוצח ושמירת הנפש פרק ה' הלכה ט]

There is an argument between Rav Shach and the Chazon Ish [In Laws about Murder in the Yad HaChazaka הלכות רוצח ושמירת הנפש פרק ה' הלכה ט] about when one kills someone else by accident and he is on his way to a refuge city and he is killed by the revenger. It seems like an obvious question. The murderer is on his way to the city where he will be safe. Outside of it he is not safe and can be killed. So let's say he was killed, but the case had not yet come to court.
In the actual verses themselves you see this quandary. The verse says he has to get to the city of refuge to be safe even before the court has tried his case. That is to say in the verse itself there are two cases. One in which he is tried and found guilty of man slaughter by accident and the other case is he is running to the city of safety. In both cases he is safe only there. But how do you know his legal status unless the case has already been brought to court?

[That is the exact point of Rav Shach. The Chazon Ish however thinks the revenger is not guilty of murder if he kills the murderer even before the case has gone to court. That means the Chazon Ish is thinking that you do not have habeus corpus. The court has just to judge the case as best they can see the facts. Was the original murder intentional or accidental or self defense [permitted]. Even without teh murderer being there they can decide. Rav Shach agrees with this. But the point of Rav Shach is that  before the court case the murderer is not a גברא קטילא קטל is not someone that the revenger can kill.--even if the case is brought to court and decided later that he was a murderer by accident. But before the case he is just a regular guy.
Rav Shach brings a proof that a court of law that sees someone kill someone else can not become judges because they can not see merit in the guy. [Makot 12] Tospfot understands that to mean they can be unbiased. But Rav Shach shows that the Rambam holds a different reason. That you need a "pesak din" decision of the court. Without that the murderer is not a "bar katala" בר קטלא that is not even obligated in the death penalty until there is a decision of a court.
The question about this is that after the court has decided that he was a murderer by accident then the revenger was as far as I can tell justified. This does not seem exactly parallel to the case of the court that saw some doing murder. That is a case of from now until the future. The case Rav Shach is bringing a proof for has to go in the past. למפרע.
The first proof of Rav Shach seems stronger. There is a case of false witnesses. They said so-and-so murdered on Sunday. Then came other witnesses and said "How could you have seen that? You were with us that whole day somewhere else." So the first set are killed because they wanted to kill. But this applies even if the second set said the murderer did in fact murder but he did so before Sunday. So here we see clearly what Rav Shach is saying. Even after a  pesak din the murderer does not become a איש קטילא  [condemned to die] in reverse. Only after the pesak.